Small Bars in Sydney City

The City of Sydney Council's free seminars to encourage small bar owners by-passes normal planning requirements and gives developers a 'leg up' in getting quick approvals (as advertised in Southern Courier April 14, page 12).

These so-called 'small' bars generate up to 600 extra patrons per
night, creating noise and inreasing crime. They add to social problems, not solve

Sydney Council should be giving free seminars to residents instead on how to object to these licquor-lord outlets: residents have a rignt to live in their chosen environment.

Andrew Woodhouse
Potts Point and King Cross Heritage Conservation Society


if you choose to live in the inner city you cant really complain about something like this. i am a resident of the city of sydney (next to busy roads and bars) and disagree explicitly with this gripe. entertainment venues (both drinking and non-drinking) facilitate the social fabric that makes sydney a desirable place to live and visit. of course there should be regulations and policies to minimise the impact of these places on residents but by no means should their existence be discouraged.

Kings Cross is officially "sleazy" acocridng to the leadng magazine, National Geographic Traveller.

Residents who have lived there for over 30 years- all before big Licquor Lords took over - should not have to move out. All residents have a right to live in their chosen environment.

Totally agree schmidsta,the ratio of entertainment areas to homes across Sydney is small enough to allow to people move somewhere else if they don't like the noise.

Don't expect everyone else to adapt to your choices.

Residents have rights, since council zoning rules allow - encourage even - people to live in these places. Pubs and clubs should go elsewhere and not within 200 meters of any apartment.

if the bars are well sound proofed and are quite small you wont get a lot of the problems that big bars have. big bars are killing going for a drink. these multimillion dollar establishments have no soul or feeling to them and are freely passed by councils all over the state for either new establishments or increasing the current establishments.
we might as well pile into a warehouse and pay over the top prices to lean on stainless steel, super clean bars. fights break out at big bars for a simple reason - 1000 drunk people in the same room. put 50 people drunk people in a small bar and see what happens, people get along and idiots are removed because they stand out.
i think the main driving reason people dont want bars next door to them is the value of their property may fall. this is fair enough but if there is a few nice quiet bars in your street and they are successful, then all of a sudden your street is 'cool' and the price of your place goes up or at least rental demand will increase.
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The main reason people don't want bars approved actually inside ther apartment blocks or right next door to bedrooms is noise, and anti-social crime.

Small bars are bars up to 130 peopel, not 50 people. The financial value of units is not a factor for renters and is only one small factor for owners: the main factor in falling value of property is the recession - obviously.

Small bars do not replace big bars - they add to cumulative impacts.

You have a couple of good points but please read Thorpe's comment.

Noise and anti-social behaviour are THE problem. Since the smoking laws and because patrons seem to like it, venues have moved their "music" entertainment outside. Mostly, it is bands playing too loud, bad karaoke, or that rotten electro-beat noise with the bass turned right up,(as is the fashion these days), that is being served up for patrons and no amount of sound-proofing will eliminate this, especially at night. I have very unfortunately discovered this as for the last 2 years a pub almost a mile away from me,(I'm not joking), has been inflicting this kind of noise every Thursday and Friday night on the residents. And what sort of "proofing" is there against the drunken morons when they come home and want to party-on? The police cannot come in time, the local council doesn't seem to have the resources to stop this and you're left feeling crappy the next day and the next.
If people move into an area of a particular character, (pub disticts, industrial, etc), then they take their chances but it's utterly wrong for a council to allow problem businesses, venues or structures into an already populated area. (And why is so hard for pubs to turn it down just a little?)

A City of Sydney spokesperson said:

The small bar seminars are in response to a growing number of inquiries for information, advice and support from people interested in setting up a small bar in Sydney. Many of the ideas are unique, viable and include solid business plans.

The City's Late Night Trading Premises DCP puts requirements on premises to show ongoing good management practices. The DCP is based on the premise that late trading is a privilege and not a right. The City's DCP recognises that small bars have less impact on surrounding neighbourhoods and help build a more lively, cultural and sophisticated night-time economy. The City's Sustainable Sydney 2030 vision aims to create a more vibrant city centre and reactivate parts of the City centre at night by encouraging a better mix of venues and a diverse late night economy.

The impact of small bars is also assessed carefully through the City's Development Application process and through Community Impact Statements required by the Office of Liquor Gaming and Racing. The City is also working with the Office of Liquor Gaming and Racing to streamline the application process for small bars and help develop effective compliance and enforcement systems.

City of Sydney

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